[Tyler G]

Yeah, the legendary drum builder himself... The owner and builder of Stauffer Percussion (Black Label, Phattie, Sounds Like Art, etc..). He was in a car accident in which he died from.

Thought I'd spread the news. I think I might be the only one on here who has played and owned any of his products. But they are by far the best I've owned/played/heard/looked at.

[DRUMMER121602]

I live in the same city as he did, its been a somber day, RIP.

[Tyler G]

Yeah.. I was pretty upset when I found out. He was the easiest guy to deal with and he was just a real person in general from what I could tell. He always appreciated and asked for any details or anything about the snares I owned. I wonder what'll become of the company now.

And I remember now why I don't come on here anymore. This is pathetic.

[FourPieceMetal]

Tyler G, on 22 January 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

And I remember now why I don't come on here anymore. This is pathetic.

What? That no one replies to anything, or that everyone's replies are depressing? Cuz the first one ain't true. . . choose for yourself on the second one. . . lol

[einarabelc5]

Tyler G, on 22 January 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Yeah.. I was pretty upset when I found out. He was the easiest guy to deal with and he was just a real person in general from what I could tell. He always appreciated and asked for any details or anything about the snares I owned. I wonder what'll become of the company now.

And I remember now why I don't come on here anymore. This is pathetic.

This post has been deleted by its creator for expressing things in a bad manner. For original meaning of this post see Poco's example below as it reflects the exact same message in a clear and concise manner. As usual HOW to say things is a key component in communicating and this post didn't reflected the opinions of the author in a way that successfully achieved the desired goal.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 23 January 2012 - 04:42 PM

[Poco Askew]

This topic is in danger of being shut down. The above post is unhelpful and only fuels the bad feelings already present in this topic.

Tyler G, on 22 January 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

And I remember now why I don't come on here anymore. This is pathetic.

I'm not sure what you expected. People die all the time. It's tough to get too emotional about a death when you've never heard of the person. Otherwise everyone would be emotionally drained at all times.

The only way I know of Stauffer Percussion is because of the few posts you made about the company. I think you'll find most drummers are not familiar with him or his products. Your remark won't gain him (or you) any support or sympathy. I'm sorry for your loss, but understand it was your loss, not mine.

[Tyler G]

You see, this is a drum forum. He made custom drums and was very well known. It's not just my loss, it's the drumming community's. At it's simplest form, this was a human life. Yeah, he wasn't "famous" like that topic in the Off Topic section.. But he deserves respect not only for who he was, but for what he's done for drummers all over the world.

The fact that you even threatened to close this thread is disgusting to me. I think that moderator status went to your head, Poco. Delete unnecessary comments if anything.

[Poco Askew]

Tyler G, on 24 January 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

You see, this is a drum forum. He made custom drums and was very well known. It's not just my loss, it's the drumming community's. At it's simplest form, this was a human life. Yeah, he wasn't "famous" like that topic in the Off Topic section.. But he deserves respect not only for who he was, but for what he's done for drummers all over the world.

The fact that you even threatened to close this thread is disgusting to me. I think that moderator status went to your head, Poco. Delete unnecessary comments if anything.

I find it ironic that the person who is complaining about a lack of respect is the one person showing the least amount of respect to his own topic and the forum.
I realize this is a drum forum.
I realize he made custom drums but I do not think he was well known (at least here). I've asked a few other drummers and musicians. None have heard of him of his company. You even admit he isn't famous. How can he be both "very well known" and yet "not famous" - at least to some degree?
Every person deserves respect. That includes Dennis, and it includes us, forum members. That's why your comment won't win him or you that respect. You dis'd the forum. What did you think would happen? We'd automatically have more respect for him?
Obviously any death is tragic. But you can't lose what you never had. Since I never knew him or his products, my life moves along pretty much the same as it did before yesterday. That does not mean I don't feel sympathy for his friends and family.
I didn't close the topic. I take that sort of action seriously. But when members start to focus on calling each other names or criticizing each other rather than commenting on the OP, the thread has no value, IMO. If this topic gets closed, so far you have yourself to blame more than anyone else. You took a good topic and dumped all over it.

[einarabelc5]

Poco Askew, on 24 January 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

I find it ironic that the person who is complaining about a lack of respect is the one person showing the least amount of respect to his own topic and the forum.
I realize this is a drum forum.
I realize he made custom drums but I do not think he was well known (at least here). I've asked a few other drummers and musicians. None have heard of him of his company. You even admit he isn't famous. How can he be both "very well known" and yet "not famous" - at least to some degree?
Every person deserves respect. That includes Dennis, and it includes us, forum members. That's why your comment won't win him or you that respect. You dis'd the forum. What did you think would happen? We'd automatically have more respect for him?
Obviously any death is tragic. But you can't lose what you never had. Since I never knew him or his products, my life moves along pretty much the same as it did before yesterday. That does not mean I don't feel sympathy for his friends and family.
I didn't close the topic. I take that sort of action seriously. But when members start to focus on calling each other names or criticizing each other rather than commenting on the OP, the thread has no value, IMO. If this topic gets closed, so far you have yourself to blame more than anyone else. You took a good topic and dumped all over it.

I won't call names this time but the point is that the OP has very unrealistic expectations and with those he's setting himself for disappointment. I share with Poco the same sentiments. Also if you want respect you should start by showing it yourself, respect is NOT DESERVED is earned. That is why IS SO VALUABLE. When you have unrealistic expectations and then you insult the people that you have those expectations for, and I'm saying this from experience, those people will automatically feel repelled by you and respect less and less.
Just a WILD thought but see if you're doing the same thing somewhere else in your life and see if it has brought anything good to you. Also remember this forum will continue to function with or without you, because is a shared experience. Learn to be humble and you will be loved.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 24 January 2012 - 11:17 AM

[Tyler G]

I'm sorry he's not a celebrity that did absolutely nothing for what this forum is about. My bad, I'll try to be less ignorant next time.

Being famous and being well known are two very different things. He's built kits for major acts like The Eli Young Band and Whitechapel (Just to show you the diversity in his products)and he's been featured at the Chicago Drum Show. So, if you don't listen to the bands that used his products, you probably haven't ever heard of them. Not famous, but very well known at the same time. Go ahead, look through the drums he's made and tell me they're a run-of-the-mill custom company. It was different. It earned respect from day one. I've dealt with a few "custom" companies and Dennis Stauffer was the nicest, easiest, and cheapest to deal with. Not to even mention the fact that the quality was well above top notch.

So go ahead, ignore this thread and everything he's done. Or, take a look and learn about a company and man that literally changed the way custom drum companies do things and leave personal quarrels out of it. When it comes down to it I wasn't bashing anyone here.

[einarabelc5]

Tyler G, on 24 January 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

I'm sorry he's not a celebrity that did absolutely nothing for what this forum is about. My bad, I'll try to be less ignorant next time.

Being famous and being well known are two very different things. He's built kits for major acts like The Eli Young Band and Whitechapel (Just to show you the diversity in his products)and he's been featured at the Chicago Drum Show. So, if you don't listen to the bands that used his products, you probably haven't ever heard of them. Not famous, but very well known at the same time. Go ahead, look through the drums he's made and tell me they're a run-of-the-mill custom company. It was different. It earned respect from day one. I've dealt with a few "custom" companies and Dennis Stauffer was the nicest, easiest, and cheapest to deal with. Not to even mention the fact that the quality was well above top notch.

So go ahead, ignore this thread and everything he's done. Or, take a look and learn about a company and man that literally changed the way custom drum companies do things and leave personal quarrels out of it. When it comes down to it I wasn't bashing anyone here.

I'm gonna say this in the most loving and respectful way I can say it.
Dude, you are the only one that can have those sentiments and feel and experience those things because THEY'RE part of YOUR life. For somebody else saying otherwise would be either lying or trying to emulate a sentiment they're not actually feeling just to express sympathy it's not very realistic. If not counterproductive.
The furthest anyone can go is to feel sympathy. No one is telepathic to feel YOUR feeling. Specially if you communicate through a forum and text. Sympathy yes, what you're feeling, unrealistic. What part of that don't you get? That's the whole point of why you're getting disappointed.
You then proceed to ignore this simple fact of live and continue to complain and villanize the people that are actually ignoring you because you're complaining. That is also pointless. You are probably doing this subconsciously to get attention but guess what. It is not attractive, it's repelling.
Also your first paragraph gives me the impression that you're being sarcastic. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I get. In the end it doesn't matter if you're being it or not to anyone else but you because of the way you're being in your posts. No one is gonna take what you say seriously.
To further explain in the end, no matter how good the guy is. YOU CANNOT IMPOSE on somebody else to feel what YOU'RE feeling because those other persons WEREN'T his clients or had any relationship with him and then expect them to bend to your will and top it with insults like being pathetic and complaints. That is a very egotistical thing to do and will get you nowhere with anyone except but to repel people. In real life people will simply tell you to go away in a very non polite manner because you're annoying the hell out of them.
In summary it's not what you say, it's HOW you say it what's more important in communication.
Also remember, we usually see the world as we are being ourselves. That is a hard truth to learn. Maybe in the back of your head you thought what you were doing was pathetic and then you produced the name calling? It's not the end of the world and it doesn't make you better or worse. Just something to watch if you choose to grow.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 25 January 2012 - 03:14 PM

[Allen]

Are you related to the deceased??...if so, then I can agree with PART of what you say, but if not, then no.....either way, one cannot force his/her feelings upon anyone else....bottom line

Just my $.02

Tyler G, on 22 January 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Yeah.. I was pretty upset when I found out. He was the easiest guy to deal with and he was just a real person in general from what I could tell. He always appreciated and asked for any details or anything about the snares I owned. I wonder what'll become of the company now.

And I remember now why I don't come on here anymore. This is pathetic.

[ogganus]

Is wishing someone a peaceful afterlfe so hard? I never knew who he was but hey, I feel the need to respect the guy. RIP Mr.Stauffer.

please people, we need to be more understanding with these things. It's not a big fault to not to think before posting in case of a loss of an important man which he held so close to himself.

[einarabelc5]

ogganus, on 27 January 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Is wishing someone a peaceful afterlfe so hard? I never knew who he was but hey, I feel the need to respect the guy. RIP Mr.Stauffer.

please people, we need to be more understanding with these things. It's not a big fault to not to think before posting in case of a loss of an important man which he held so close to himself.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That doesn't mean they have to share it with you when they differ.
Besides that, no one likes being insulted for free or FORCED to do something.
If you don't like that then as I said, you're entitled to YOUR opinion.

[Poco Askew]

Please everyone - I don't want to close this thread.
Let's get back to the topic in the OP. Obviously Tyler thought we should be more aware and disturbed by the death of someone that meant a lot to him. At this point we should try to respect the spirit of the topic. A death is a death, and while you don't need to express grief according to how someone else feels, I think we can all agree that bickering about it isn't helping anyone. Like I said before, an untimely death is always tragic regardless of how well you knew the person. If you care(d) about Dennis, this is the place to say so. If not, please pass this by and move on to the next thread.

[cogwheel]

ogganus, on 27 January 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

please people, we need to be more understanding with these things. It's not a big fault to not to think before posting in case of a loss of an important man which he held so close to himself.

No, it's not, but it is a big fault when someone points out how rude he's being and he continues being rude (and even gets ruder). I don't think anyone was genuinely upset with him until he dug his heels in and insisted that there was something wrong with this community because we didn't start falling all over ourselves to express sorrow.

[einarabelc5]

Poco Askew, on 27 January 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Please everyone - I don't want to close this thread.
Let's get back to the topic in the OP. Obviously Tyler thought we should be more aware and disturbed by the death of someone that meant a lot to him. At this point we should try to respect the spirit of the topic. A death is a death, and while you don't need to express grief according to how someone else feels, I think we can all agree that bickering about it isn't helping anyone. Like I said before, an untimely death is always tragic regardless of how well you knew the person. If you care(d) about Dennis, this is the place to say so. If not, please pass this by and move on to the next thread.

cogwheel, on 27 January 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

No, it's not, but it is a big fault when someone points out how rude he's being and he continues being rude (and even gets ruder). I don't think anyone was genuinely upset with him until he dug his heels in and insisted that there was something wrong with this community because we didn't start falling all over ourselves to express sorrow.

Hey Poco,

To be honest I don't mean to offend someone but that doesn't mean I agree with them or are willing to be insulted by them. At least not at this moment. As I've learned in this forums, it's all about learning to live with a plethora of opinions. I don't see that as a reason to close the thread. It can't all be roses unless you are honest first and stand your ground. Any family has discussions and this thread reminds me of that. In my own opinion I rather have that as long as it is respectful BOTH WAYS than a sugar coated censorship.

Also to be honest with what Cogwheel said when I first saw this thread all what I wanted to learn was who the guy is, then when I saw that comment I totally forgot about that. I wonder why .

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 27 January 2012 - 02:35 PM

[realscotch]

Tyler has my sympathy for losing someone he knew.

Personally, I have never heard of him, but, if he did something in our world of drums, he deserves a certain amount of respect, and the sarcastic BS needs to stop.

[Poco Askew]

I have absolutely no problem with differing opinions and any member defending a position. What I won't let fly is letting things get personal. That's the only reason I would close this topic. As long as things are peaceful and debated with respect for the other person's views, there will be no action on my part. I just hoped, in this case, we might stop whipping a ...... never mind.

[einarabelc5]

Poco Askew, on 27 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

I just hoped, in this case, we might stop whipping a ...... never mind.

Hahaha, good point... it's all pointless. Ooh the Internet....Peace out.