realscotch, on 21 February 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:
FPM, As I stated before, I don't hate it, I'm not thrilled with the music it's used in today. If I were of this generation, I'm sure I would look at it different.
I can only go by what I see, and what I see, is drummers that get into DB, seem to head straight for the speed part, and, while being fast is great, when it's done to the exclusion of other things, I have to wonder about it.
Several weeks ago, I watched several Roddy and Kolias videos. There are differences in what they do, but there are more simularities in their playing. Cymbal flourishes, blast beats, fast rolls and back to the cymbals. Outside of speed, I don't see any great technique in their playing.
Now I freely admit that I suck at DB (see the last video I put up for proof) but I really don't want to spend the time to play them "the fast way". I throw them on my drums once a week or so, look to see if I can work them in with the toms and that's about it.
Rich, Morello and a couple of other drummers used their single pedal and did some interesting things between hands and BD. Belson, on the other hand, while supposedly the "originator" of DB, in reality, did nothing interesting with them. He probably had the "cleanest" technique of them all, but he never (and I saw Belson more than a few times in the 60's and 70's plus had a lot of his records) did use them in conjunction with his toms. When he played a solo, he played like he had 1 BD, then do a BD roll and that was about it.
As I said, if I were 20, I would probably be looking at this from a totally different viewpoint, but I don't know if I would be able to take the "singing".
I can only go by what I see, and what I see, is drummers that get into DB, seem to head straight for the speed part, and, while being fast is great, when it's done to the exclusion of other things, I have to wonder about it.
Several weeks ago, I watched several Roddy and Kolias videos. There are differences in what they do, but there are more simularities in their playing. Cymbal flourishes, blast beats, fast rolls and back to the cymbals. Outside of speed, I don't see any great technique in their playing.
Now I freely admit that I suck at DB (see the last video I put up for proof) but I really don't want to spend the time to play them "the fast way". I throw them on my drums once a week or so, look to see if I can work them in with the toms and that's about it.
Rich, Morello and a couple of other drummers used their single pedal and did some interesting things between hands and BD. Belson, on the other hand, while supposedly the "originator" of DB, in reality, did nothing interesting with them. He probably had the "cleanest" technique of them all, but he never (and I saw Belson more than a few times in the 60's and 70's plus had a lot of his records) did use them in conjunction with his toms. When he played a solo, he played like he had 1 BD, then do a BD roll and that was about it.
As I said, if I were 20, I would probably be looking at this from a totally different viewpoint, but I don't know if I would be able to take the "singing".
of course roddy and kollias have diffenences in their playing (they are individuals) and plenty of similarities (they play in the same genre) and in that genre speed and fast double bass is key. all jazz players have similarities because they use the jazz ride and swing and differences because they are not clones of each other. as far as roddys technique, i dont think youve seen this video:
i think youre looking at this a tad closed minded. double bass is a tool just like any other aspect of drumming. how much or little its used obviously depends on the style of music youre playing
when it comes to age, youre really not that much older than i am and ive been into heavy metal for well over 30 years. pretty much since its birth
