[einarabelc5]

I've read some comments here in the forums about why some drummers see double bass techniques as tasteless and meaningless. Specially in Metal context.
I'm a total newb, only been playing for 2 months. My idea is to try and learn as much as I can.

I found this song that really uses double bass pedal in a tasteful manner:

http://rd.io/i/QVYZ4zd-8os

Note: The song works best in the context of the entire album (preceeded by 1928 Overture and followed by Through my Words.

I was thinking that you might use double bass just like you use your hands and even do everything you can do with your hands: doubles, singles, paradiddles, flams, etc with your feet also.

I think we all have the right to feel our feet as much as we feel our hands. IMHO in general I think feet are underutilized.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 02 November 2011 - 12:56 PM

[osirus211]

einarabelc5, on 02 November 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

I was thinking that you might use double bass just like you use your hands and even do everything you can do with your hands: doubles, singles, paradiddles, flams, etc with your feet also.

I do the same thing, and I also try to work in hand-to-feet combinations. For example, think of doing paradiddles using your right foot and your left hand.

[einarabelc5]

osirus211, on 02 November 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

I do the same thing, and I also try to work in hand-to-feet combinations. For example, think of doing paradiddles using your right foot and your left hand.

That's the closest I could find to Drooling.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 02 November 2011 - 02:21 PM

[birkabirkowski]

osirus211, on 02 November 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

I do the same thing, and I also try to work in hand-to-feet combinations. For example, think of doing paradiddles using your right foot and your left hand.

O_o' Ow, my coordination lobe just broke.

[FourPieceMetal]

TBH, I hate it when people say that double bass doesn't require effort, or that it's just not the best idea to use it. I like double bass, and when I have my kit in front of me, I'm always trying to get better at it. I don't understand the mindset of people that just outright trash double bass. Yes, I can understand if someone doesn't like a 225 bpm song, and he's playing 16th notes double bass the WHOLE song. But, when it's used in moderation (which in my case could be most of the song, just not all) I don't think it's bad. I mean seriously take a listen to this song and tell me that you can't fall in love with 2:37-2:47.
That's straight sixteenth notes for ten whole seconds, and I can't stop listening to those ten seconds. Now, granted this is metal, and metals known for having double bass in their drumming alot, BUT, I'm talking about 2x bass in general. Basically what I'm trying to get across is, to everyone that hates double bass, lay off the ripping on it. I'm sure you hate everything you're jealous that you can't do, But, me and a million other drummers CAN. . .

[realscotch]

"I'm sure you hate everything you're jealous that you can't do, But, me and a million other drummers CAN. . ."

OK.................

[FourPieceMetal]

realscotch, on 11 November 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

"I'm sure you hate everything you're jealous that you can't do, But, me and a million other drummers CAN. . ."

OK.................

That was a bit of an oh snap line, if you know what I mean. Lots of people joke and say "The only reason people hate something is because they aren't good at it."

[einarabelc5]

I saw a propaganda on Pearl Demon Drive pedals that harnessed this conflict to say that it has a little bit for everyone. I'll see if I can find it.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 11 November 2011 - 06:07 PM

[realscotch]

FourPieceMetal, on 11 November 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

That was a bit of an oh snap line, if you know what I mean. Lots of people joke and say "The only reason people hate something is because they aren't good at it."

I don't hate it, but I don't like most of the music it is used in. So as a old R&R and jazz drummer, the ability to play double bass, for me, is minimal.

I have a Iron Cobra double bass pedal that I put on my set maybe once a week. I look to make it a integral part of what I do, and doing 250 BPM is not a part of what I do.

As a drummer for 55 years, I'm pretty good at it, and most of what fits my style of playing can be done with a single pedal.

[osirus211]

realscotch, on 11 November 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

As a drummer for 55 years

You should just make that a signature, since you write that in 90% of your posts anyways.

[realscotch]

osirus211, on 11 November 2011 - 10:49 PM, said:

You should just make that a signature, since you write that in 90% of your posts anyways.

So, why should you care how many times I say it.

I see that you have been to my profile page a couple of times. If you want to know something, just ask. You will get a civil answer.

[Metamega]

I personally am not a big fan of double pedals that just blast the whole song. Their are some of my favorite bands that use it in moderation which I find gives it that boost when you hear it. Slayer, megadeth , Metallica, anthrax, slayer. They have some great placements for double kicks that just boost the song. Chris Adler is another one of my favorites for bass technique. He does some sick oddball stuff. It has its moments for certain styles. Their fun to play with two. To non drummers they make you sound like a drum god lol

[einarabelc5]

Metamega, on 15 November 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

I personally am not a big fan of double pedals that just blast the whole song. Their are some of my favorite bands that use it in moderation which I find gives it that boost when you hear it. Slayer, megadeth , Metallica, anthrax, slayer. They have some great placements for double kicks that just boost the song. Chris Adler is another one of my favorites for bass technique. He does some sick oddball stuff. It has its moments for certain styles. Their fun to play with two. To non drummers they make you sound like a drum god lol

Same with ghost notes, same with everything.

[FourPieceMetal]

I've FINALLY found the guy who uses double bass like it's the only thing on his kit. This is the least tasteful use of doube bass I have EVER seen. I mean, I get that 300 BPM is fast, but COME ON! I could be more creative than this at 300 bpm!

[realscotch]

FourPieceMetal, on 21 February 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I've FINALLY found the guy who uses double bass like it's the only thing on his kit. This is the least tasteful use of doube bass I have EVER seen. I mean, I get that 300 BPM is fast, but COME ON! I could be more creative than this at 300 bpm!

FPM, As I stated before, I don't hate it, I'm not thrilled with the music it's used in today. If I were of this generation, I'm sure I would look at it different.

I can only go by what I see, and what I see, is drummers that get into DB, seem to head straight for the speed part, and, while being fast is great, when it's done to the exclusion of other things, I have to wonder about it.

Several weeks ago, I watched several Roddy and Kolias videos. There are differences in what they do, but there are more simularities in their playing. Cymbal flourishes, blast beats, fast rolls and back to the cymbals. Outside of speed, I don't see any great technique in their playing.

Now I freely admit that I suck at DB (see the last video I put up for proof) but I really don't want to spend the time to play them "the fast way". I throw them on my drums once a week or so, look to see if I can work them in with the toms and that's about it.

Rich, Morello and a couple of other drummers used their single pedal and did some interesting things between hands and BD. Belson, on the other hand, while supposedly the "originator" of DB, in reality, did nothing interesting with them. He probably had the "cleanest" technique of them all, but he never (and I saw Belson more than a few times in the 60's and 70's plus had a lot of his records) did use them in conjunction with his toms. When he played a solo, he played like he had 1 BD, then do a BD roll and that was about it.

As I said, if I were 20, I would probably be looking at this from a totally different viewpoint, but I don't know if I would be able to take the "singing".

[FourPieceMetal]

realscotch, on 21 February 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

FPM, As I stated before, I don't hate it, I'm not thrilled with the music it's used in today. If I were of this generation, I'm sure I would look at it different.

I can only go by what I see, and what I see, is drummers that get into DB, seem to head straight for the speed part, and, while being fast is great, when it's done to the exclusion of other things, I have to wonder about it.

Several weeks ago, I watched several Roddy and Kolias videos. There are differences in what they do, but there are more simularities in their playing. Cymbal flourishes, blast beats, fast rolls and back to the cymbals. Outside of speed, I don't see any great technique in their playing.

Now I freely admit that I suck at DB (see the last video I put up for proof) but I really don't want to spend the time to play them "the fast way". I throw them on my drums once a week or so, look to see if I can work them in with the toms and that's about it.

Rich, Morello and a couple of other drummers used their single pedal and did some interesting things between hands and BD. Belson, on the other hand, while supposedly the "originator" of DB, in reality, did nothing interesting with them. He probably had the "cleanest" technique of them all, but he never (and I saw Belson more than a few times in the 60's and 70's plus had a lot of his records) did use them in conjunction with his toms. When he played a solo, he played like he had 1 BD, then do a BD roll and that was about it.

As I said, if I were 20, I would probably be looking at this from a totally different viewpoint, but I don't know if I would be able to take the "singing".

Yeah, I understand that. But, this video was my personal opinion of what overused double bass is. It wasn't a crack, or a joke. But, if you wanna see good double bass, and good drumming altogether, check out Hannes Grossmann. He's a metal drummer, but he's very technical. Alot of his band is odd-time signatures, and stuff most metal drummers don't feel right trying to pull off.

[realscotch]

FourPieceMetal, on 21 February 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Yeah, I understand that. But, this video was my personal opinion of what overused double bass is. It wasn't a crack, or a joke. But, if you wanna see good double bass, and good drumming altogether, check out Hannes Grossmann. He's a metal drummer, but he's very technical. Alot of his band is odd-time signatures, and stuff most metal drummers don't feel right trying to pull off.

I'll check him out.

[TheYonderGod]

FourPieceMetal, on 21 February 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I've FINALLY found the guy who uses double bass like it's the only thing on his kit. This is the least tasteful use of doube bass I have EVER seen. I mean, I get that 300 BPM is fast, but COME ON! I could be more creative than this at 300 bpm!

Wth, you can't even hear the individual hits, it just sounds like a bass guitar, lol.

[CJohn364]

I'm not a master of DB, but I still practice it every now and again. There are several songs that I like that I think is used well and not overdone in them. I guess it all boils down to your style of music.

[einarabelc5]

FourPieceMetal, on 21 February 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I've FINALLY found the guy who uses double bass like it's the only thing on his kit. This is the least tasteful use of doube bass I have EVER seen. I mean, I get that 300 BPM is fast, but COME ON! I could be more creative than this at 300 bpm!

Do you happen to know any song this guy plays?

My drum machine can play that twice as fast