[navgeetdrummer]

WHAT IS THE BEST GENRE TO START DRUMMING WITH ????
AND THEN WHAT TO CHOOSE IN AN INTERMEDIATE LEVEL???

[osirus211]

Your poll asks which is toughest, and the original post asks which genre should a beginner start with?


I think a beginner should start with whatever genre they enjoy hearing the most. No point drumming to jazz music first if all you listen to is rock music.

[Dudewithlonghair]

Jazz or progressive. Gospel has awesome chops players but the genre itself is not supremely difficult.

[pearlvx96]

I think you need to be more specific to judge that. AC/DC and Led Zeppelin are both rock bands, but AC/DC is great for beginners while Led Zep is for more advanced players. So it depends what rock bands you're looking at. I started out with classic 50s tunes like Louie Louie, Soul Man, and that stuff. Then I started playing a lot of Credence. When I got a better understanding of syncopation, I played stuff by Korn.
It's the same with jazz. Anyone can play basic swing tunes, but Weckl style fusion takes years to master.
Figure out what you want to play, then work up to it.

[JBoom]

ALL CAPS is considered yelling in internet communication. I don't think yelling is necessary for this subject, so please stop using ALL CAPS. Thanks.

[osirus211]

JBoom, on 18 September 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

ALL CAPS is considered yelling in internet communication. I don't think yelling is necessary for this subject, so please stop using ALL CAPS. Thanks.

At least he is consistent. He has been yelling since day 1. I just figured he was a loud guy. I picture him shouting in front of the keyboard.

[FourPieceMetal]

TBH, I don't think that there is a toughest genre. If there was, then there would actually be such a thing as the world's best drummer. The genres can be considered the hardest depending on the factors you're looking at. The hardest drumming genre, speed wise, could be metal. The hardest genre technicality wise could be jazz. Hardest genre in the sense of keeping the steadiest beat possible all the way through could be rock drumming. I got nothing on hip hop, since that drumming's not even played by an actual person, and classic and reggae, I just don't have nothing for. But, still. There's no 'hardest genre' it's all about the factors of the style you're looking at.

[Poco Askew]

osirus211, on 18 September 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

At least he is consistent. He has been yelling since day 1. I just figured he was a loud guy. I picture him shouting in front of the keyboard.

He is also very curious. DON'T YOU THINK??????

[osirus211]

Poco Askew, on 18 September 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

He is also very curious. DON'T YOU THINK??????

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the 6th question mark. You were completely clear at the 5th one, but the 6th one just makes that question completely ambiguous. In other words... WTF??????

[Poco Askew]

osirus211, on 18 September 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the 6th question mark. You were completely clear at the 5th one, but the 6th one just makes that question completely ambiguous. In other words... WTF??????

Obviously, the 6th question mark means I'm running around in circles, flapping my arms up and down to make sure everyone knows just how badly I want an answer.

[hellacool]

FourPieceMetal, on 18 September 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

TBH, I don't think that there is a toughest genre. If there was, then there would actually be such a thing as the world's best drummer. The genres can be considered the hardest depending on the factors you're looking at. The hardest drumming genre, speed wise, could be metal. The hardest genre technicality wise could be jazz. Hardest genre in the sense of keeping the steadiest beat possible all the way through could be rock drumming. I got nothing on hip hop, since that drumming's not even played by an actual person, and classic and reggae, I just don't have nothing for. But, still. There's no 'hardest genre' it's all about the factors of the style you're looking at.

I disagree about metal being the hardest speed wise, I think be-bop/jazz takes the cake for the toughest genre all around. I mean you have jazz guys like Art Blakey hitting 400 bpm and comping the head and then cats like Ari Hoenig who can play the melody to Anthropology on his snare drum, the pitches and everything. I think that if you learn to play jazz really well you will be able to play just about anything that you want. I mean look at guys like Mike Mangini, Jon Karel, Jojo Mayer, Dennis Chambers, and Kim Plainfeild. They all studied jazz and they are all amazing at anything they try and do. And not only does jazz have speed but it also requires a lot of coordination, more so than metal in my opinion. But apart from rhythmic stuff if you learn to play jazz you're going to pick up a lot of harmonic and melodic ideas too.

[FourPieceMetal]

Well, Jazz is like the 'original genre for any kind of drumming.' Pretty much if you want to learn about any style of music, they're gonna want to hammer that jazz into you first. I don't know why, because there's some things in other genres that you don't do in Jazz. Heck, there's ideas in other genres that aren't even COPYING jazz (i.e double bass. No one in Jazz [that i know of] incorporates double bass into his drumming, whereas a lot of metal and hard rock drummers do.) But, hey. To each their own. I'm sure there's a reason, and I just don't know it. And I do gotta admit, it is nice to be able to incorporate stuff from jazz and latin drumming into other styles. I should know; I do it all the time when I practice.

[Poco Askew]

FourPieceMetal, on 19 September 2011 - 09:19 AM, said:

No one in Jazz [that i know of] incorporates double bass into his drumming, whereas a lot of metal and hard rock drummers do.)

You might want to check out Louie Bellson - jazz drummer born in 1924.
Double bass isn't all that new or just for rock/metal. IMO the problem with DB in metal is it is over-used which defeats the purpose of using it at all. It is no longer interesting, exciting, or provides an accent. It becomes tedious and monotonous. But like you said, to each his/her own.

[realscotch]

Poco Askew, on 19 September 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

You might want to check out Louie Bellson - jazz drummer born in 1924.
Double bass isn't all that new or just for rock/metal. IMO the problem with DB in metal is it is over-used which defeats the purpose of using it at all. It is no longer interesting, exciting, or provides an accent. It becomes tedious and monotonous. But like you said, to each his/her own.

I was going to say Belson, Woodyard, Shawn, and acouple of others, but you beat me to it.

[Vasheir]

Wiki said:

The idea for the double bass drum setup came from jazz drummer Louie Bellson...

This post has been edited by Vasheir: 19 September 2011 - 12:25 PM

[abacacus]

hellacool, on 19 September 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

I disagree about metal being the hardest speed wise, I think be-bop/jazz takes the cake for the toughest genre all around. I mean you have jazz guys like Art Blakey hitting 400 bpm and comping the head and then cats like Ari Hoenig who can play the melody to Anthropology on his snare drum, the pitches and everything. I think that if you learn to play jazz really well you will be able to play just about anything that you want. I mean look at guys like Mike Mangini, Jon Karel, Jojo Mayer, Dennis Chambers, and Kim Plainfeild. They all studied jazz and they are all amazing at anything they try and do. And not only does jazz have speed but it also requires a lot of coordination, more so than metal in my opinion. But apart from rhythmic stuff if you learn to play jazz you're going to pick up a lot of harmonic and melodic ideas too.

Jazz *does* hit higher tempos, for sure, but it's not nearly as physical. I cant really say I've ever seen a jazz drummer do a blast at 260 for 3 minutes straight, but I've seen metal players do it. I've also never seen a jazz drummer play any fast double kick.

Jazz is more difficult mentally, wrapping your head around the dynamics and such; but metal is WAY more difficult physically. Some metal is stupid hard mentally as well, all those bloody Djent bands

[osirus211]

abacacus, on 19 September 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Jazz is more difficult mentally, wrapping your head around the dynamics and such; but metal is WAY more difficult physically. Some metal is stupid hard mentally as well, all those bloody Djent bands

Why are people so impressed by fast double bass? It's just ONE aspect of drumming but everyone thinks that its SO amazing when a drummer can play fast kicks. You're essentially saying that a drummer who chooses NOT to play any dynamics on the hi-hat has a more difficult job because he has to stomp both feet on the same instrument? That doesn't make much sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, it is in fact an important aspect of drumming, but again.. one of many.

[FourPieceMetal]

osirus211, on 19 September 2011 - 04:49 PM, said:

Why are people so impressed by fast double bass? It's just ONE aspect of drumming but everyone thinks that its SO amazing when a drummer can play fast kicks. You're essentially saying that a drummer who chooses NOT to play any dynamics on the hi-hat has a more difficult job because he has to stomp both feet on the same instrument? That doesn't make much sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, it is in fact an important aspect of drumming, but again.. one of many.

Coming from someone who REALLY enjoys and appreciates double bass, I think I have the answer. lol. The reason people are so impressed with intense fast double bass is for two reasons. One: The bass drum is the 'heartbeat', so to say, in a songs' drum track. So to hear it constantly just feels awesome, and it leaves you wondering How did he do that?! And two: It just plain sounds cool. I'll bet you, get some drum tracks with people playing 200 bpm 16th notes. . .on the snare. . . and people will think it's just as awesome. It's just the fact that the speed can be attained. I remember how I felt when I saw myself clocking in at 215 bpm 16th notes with ease. Felt DANG GREAT! It's a goal that feels and looks cool. There can't be much more to it than that.

[Evmeh1303]

Metal has always been tougher for me to play than jazz. Mostly because Jazz is a very loose, groovy drumming style and Metal is a very tight, consistent drumming style. Also my double kicks are sub par. Trying to get better at it though

[JBoom]

The biggest truth in "what's hardest" lies in what you listen to the most. If Jazz is all you listen to, rock can be hard, and vise versa. The easiest music to learn is the music you've listened to the most in your life so far.