[FourPieceMetal]

Basically, this is a forum I thought would be a cool idea to make. It's essentially a forum where someone can post a song or a part of a song they are having trouble with, and then others can post tips on how to play it. I'll start off, seeing as I created this forum for EVERYONE having a drum problem, and I have one! I have trouble with the song 'This Calling' by All That Remains. In the first chorus, he does some really fast triplets, and they're evenly spaced. My problem is I can do triplets as fast as him, but not as evenly spaced, so it sounds like I'm doing more 16th note triplets then just fast triplets. For anyone having trouble understanding this I wrote this to help you understand what I mean with what happens with the triplets.

Drummer: RLR RLR RLR RLR RLR RLR

Me: RLRRLRRLRRLRRLRRLR

Keep in mind, I play heel-up ONLY. No flatfoot, heel-down, heel-toe. None of that. Just heel-up exclusively.

[pearlvx96]

those triplets are going to very hard to play just single stroking. i recommend learning heel-toe or slide, and using that technique to get two quick strokes on one foot, followed by one stroke with the other foot, resulting in your triplet. It'll look like RRL RRL RRL or LLR LLR LLR depending on what your strong foot is. trying to single stroke them seems almost impossible!

btw, great idea for a forum hopefully it takes off!

[FourPieceMetal]

Cool. ty. This might just not be a song for me. lol I can play pretty much anything else from ATR, so. . . it's not like one song makes a huge difference. lol. Anyone else have songs or song parts that they can't do that easily? Keep in mind this forum can be about ANYTHING you're having trouble with doing on a particular song. Post it, and I, or anyone else will find what you need to do. You might also want to consider putting up the music video of the song, or better yet, the songs drum track if you can extract that from the song/ find it on a website like youtube. It's not REQUIRED to put up a video, but it is RECOMMENDED, seeing as it would save time if we could just see it from here instead of needing to go to youtube ourselves to find the song. Hope you all find good answers!

[Kavir]

My issue is pretty basic an is just going to come down to me needing to build up power in my right foot but I'm working on a lot of Nicko McBrain's stuff and he does triplets on the bass drum that I'm having problems replicating.

Two examples would be the main beat to "Where Eagles Dare" and the cursed "Nightmare Life-in-Death" section of "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" shown here



Any tips on how to work on foot speed and endurance?

This post has been edited by Kavir: 25 August 2011 - 12:10 PM

[FourPieceMetal]

If you're looking to increase speed in the sense of triplets, do what pearlvx96 suggested for me, and practice slide technique or heel toe. If you're looking to increase your double bass speed in general, then just play to a metronome, and do single, doubles, 16th note triplets, and then full 16th notes. When you're done with that speed you started at, raise the bpm 5 beats higher. Repeat until you've reached a goal speed. I did this and in two days I managed to reach 225 bpm 16th notes!

[Kavir]

FourPieceMetal, on 25 August 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

If you're looking to increase speed in the sense of triplets, do what pearlvx96 suggested for me, and practice slide technique or heel toe. If you're looking to increase your double bass speed in general, then just play to a metronome, and do single, doubles, 16th note triplets, and then full 16th notes. When you're done with that speed you started at, raise the bpm 5 beats higher. Repeat until you've reached a goal speed. I did this and in two days I managed to reach 225 bpm 16th notes!

Essentially, I'm looking to mimic it how Nicko is doing it, one foot triplets. I don't use two pedals

[pearlvx96]

FourPieceMetal, on 25 August 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

f you're looking to increase your double bass speed in general, then just play to a metronome, and do single, doubles, 16th note triplets, and then full 16th notes. When you're done with that speed you started at, raise the bpm 5 beats higher. Repeat until you've reached a goal speed. I did this and in two days I managed to reach 225 bpm 16th notes!

Maybe you could take a video of yourself playing and explaining this excersise? I'm not entirely sure about what you mean by doubles. Also, how long should we play the excersise for? This sounds like it really works, and I wanna try it out! I really need to improve my double bass speed, I just need clear up these questions first. Can you do a video tutorial of the excersise?

[osirus211]

FourPieceMetal, on 25 August 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

then just play to a metronome, and do single, doubles, 16th note triplets, and then full 16th notes.

I assume you mean 8th note triplets...

[FourPieceMetal]

pearlvx96, on 25 August 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Maybe you could take a video of yourself playing and explaining this excersise? I'm not entirely sure about what you mean by doubles. Also, how long should we play the excersise for? This sounds like it really works, and I wanna try it out! I really need to improve my double bass speed, I just need clear up these questions first. Can you do a video tutorial of the excersise?

It might be a bit before I put up a video, because I'm sick right now, and I can't even think about getting up and walking to my kit which is in my shed. I can make the video, but just one question about the video, can I upload the video straight onto the website, or do I need to make it a youtube video, and then paste the url into my post? Also, I have done this exercise for as short as 20 minutes, and as long as 90 minutes. If you're really serious about getting good double bass speed down, I would recommend at least 45-60 minutes.

This post has been edited by FourPieceMetal: 26 August 2011 - 06:43 AM

[Poco Askew]

FourPieceMetal, on 26 August 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

I can make the video, but just one question about the video, can I upload the video straight onto the website, or do I need to make it a youtube video, and then paste the url into my post?

The forum does not host videos. You don't have to use YouTube, but you should upload it to some hosting site and then link to a static URL using the "Insert Media" button above your posting window..

[pearlvx96]

FourPieceMetal, on 26 August 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

It might be a bit before I put up a video, because I'm sick right now, and I can't even think about getting up and walking to my kit which is in my shed. I can make the video, but just one question about the video, can I upload the video straight onto the website, or do I need to make it a youtube video, and then paste the url into my post? Also, I have done this exercise for as short as 20 minutes, and as long as 90 minutes. If you're really serious about getting good double bass speed down, I would recommend at least 45-60 minutes.

that sounds good, whatever works for you. thanks man! feel better

[pearlvx96]

maybe you guys can help me, I'm having trouble with the timing of a fill in Lamb of God's Laid to Rest. Now the fill itself is easy, and I'm not sure why the timing is giving me so much trouble because no one else seems to have problems with it lol



the I can never time the fills at 3:27 and 3:34 correctly! anyone have any tips to help me get it?

[Poco Askew]

pearlvx96, on 26 August 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

I can never time the fills at 3:27 and 3:34 correctly! anyone have any tips to help me get it?

Can you put up a video or at least audio so we can understand exactly what the issue is. It is tough to offer advice when we don't know if you come in early, come in late, wrong tempo, uneven tempo, etc.

[pearlvx96]

I've been coming in both early and late. I sort of think too much about when to come in. What I really have to do is just keep playing the song until I get. As always, thanks for the help though!

[pearlvx96]

FourPieceMetal, on 25 August 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

If you're looking to increase speed in the sense of triplets, do what pearlvx96 suggested for me, and practice slide technique or heel toe.

Regarding quick triplets, I just remembered that Jared has a video on how to get a triple stroke with one foot. If I was on my computer I'd send you a link, but I can't from my iPod :/ look under the bass drum lessons section

[jdalzina]

Hi I'm trying to learn In The End by Linkin Park. I believe this is not a difficult song other than the speed of it. I've been having a lot of trouble to keep on time those 4 and 5 consecutive 16th notes bass drum beats at 120bpm's. Up until 100bpm's i have no trouble. I use a slide technique for fast bass beats, but the most i can get clean at 120bpm's is three 16th notes. I'm also learning the heel & toe technique, but I'm still a novice at it.
Any suggestion as to how to improve this will be appreciated.

[osirus211]

jdalzina, on 07 September 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Hi I'm trying to learn In The End by Linkin Park. I believe this is not a difficult song other than the speed of it. I've been having a lot of trouble to keep on time those 4 and 5 consecutive 16th notes bass drum beats at 120bpm's. Up until 100bpm's i have no trouble. I use a slide technique for fast bass beats, but the most i can get clean at 120bpm's is three 16th notes. I'm also learning the heel & toe technique, but I'm still a novice at it.
Any suggestion as to how to improve this will be appreciated.

If you can do it at 100, then I'm sure you can do it at 120 sometime soon. You just need to practice. Don't try to jump from 100 to 120. Practice at 100, practice at 102, 104. Make sure you stay relaxed, don't push it. Honestly, I think its better if you stay practicing at a particular speed (e.g., 100bpm) for too long than to jump ahead too soon because then you'll be sacrificing form and then you may _never_ get it.

[FourPieceMetal]

OK. This is to pearlvx96, and anyone else that wants to know about my double bass speed exercise. The video has been made, but not put up yet. It took me like 10 tries, cuz I either wasnt explanatory ENOUGH, or it was a double bass video with a 'very special FourPieceMetal commentary track' if ya know what i mean. . . lol

[jdalzina]

osirus211, on 07 September 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

If you can do it at 100, then I'm sure you can do it at 120 sometime soon. You just need to practice. Don't try to jump from 100 to 120. Practice at 100, practice at 102, 104. Make sure you stay relaxed, don't push it. Honestly, I think its better if you stay practicing at a particular speed (e.g., 100bpm) for too long than to jump ahead too soon because then you'll be sacrificing form and then you may _never_ get it.

Thanks osirus211, I'll keep practicing with small speed increments.

[FourPieceMetal]

HERE'S THE VIDEO EXPLAINING MY EXERCISE!!! Sorry for the all caps; just wanted to get your attention. Some of you were asking about my double bass exercise, and if I could put up a video of it. Here it is! PLZ DO NOT COMMENT ABOUT HOW SLOW I AM OR HOW AWKWARD I SOUND IF YOU THINK I SOUND AS SUCH! THIS IS MY FIRST VIDEO WHERE I AM IN IT! lolz