[Miskatonic]

If I could find a bass drum practice pad that would accommodate a double pedal then I'd use them more often. The ones that advertise that they do have not proved true when set up. Maybe it is just axis pedals that have a hard time fitting but I've tried the Pro Mark bass drum practice pad which is basically identical to the Pearl practice pad and it doesn't just slide into place and you are ready to go, there is all sorts of tweaking involved that shouldn't be necessary if the pad was actually intended to be used with a double pedal. I'm almost tempted to try and build one myself.

[rjdrums26]

I felt I had to get involved in this. I personally hate triggers. They sound like crap and it just doesn't do a drum justice.

For people saying you need triggers for higher speeds or it will sound like mud...
*edit:

At around 1:05 watch and you will see no triggers. The bass drum sounds absolutely amazing IMO. If you tune your drum correctly you can get a good sound for fast speeds. Triggers aren't necessary.

This post has been edited by rjdrums26: 21 January 2012 - 07:03 AM

[abacacus]

Sampled.

I can pretty much guarantee it.

Sure, no triggers used... but that's NOT what that drum actually sounds like.

edit:

By the way, AFAIK Lech triggers live.

Triggers are needed for a good sound at that kind of speed. You can deny that reality all you want, but you will be wrong.

This post has been edited by abacacus: 21 January 2012 - 03:26 PM

[cogwheel]

 abacacus, on 21 January 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Triggers are needed for a good sound at that kind of speed. You can deny that reality all you want, but you will be wrong.

Assuming everything else you said, maybe "clear sound" instead of "good sound" would be more appropriate. I get where you're coming from, but I simply don't like the sound of triggered bass drums. I'd rather hear the speed coming from something inherently clearer.

Might the bass drum simply be the wrong tool for the job? Seems like the ability to use your feet is the most important aspect. There's gotta be something else you can smack with a beater to produce the kind of sound you're after.

[TheYonderGod]

 cogwheel, on 22 January 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

There's gotta be something else you can smack with a beater to produce the kind of sound you're after.

Why? He already has something that produces the sound he's after; a triggered bass drum. Why does he need to find something else? Also, if they used something else it would feel and look different, and some people mic their drum too and mix the trigger and the mic together.

This post has been edited by TheYonderGod: 22 January 2012 - 03:23 PM

[Poco Askew]

 cogwheel, on 22 January 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I simply don't like the sound of triggered bass drums. I'd rather hear the speed coming from something inherently clearer.

Some of the reasons drummers went to triggers are:

1) Triggers pick up light hits easily, which can be important for some high speed players.
2) Triggers are inherently clearer at high speed. The sustain from hits on larger drums (needed for lower pitches) begins to run together at high speed. The hits are no longer easily discernible. Instead you get a dull roar as all the hits blend into one long noise. Triggers don't try to sound exactly like a real drum specifically to avoid this problem.

You could mic a non-triggered bass drum and add effects (gating, compression, etc.) to make it sound good at high speed, but it ends up sounding less like a bass drum and more like a triggered drum. After all a trigger can play a bass drum sample, which is nothing more than a high quality recording of an acoustic drum.

[osirus211]

 Miskatonic, on 10 January 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

If I could find a bass drum practice pad that would accommodate a double pedal then I'd use them more often. The ones that advertise that they do have not proved true when set up. Maybe it is just axis pedals that have a hard time fitting but I've tried the Pro Mark bass drum practice pad which is basically identical to the Pearl practice pad and it doesn't just slide into place and you are ready to go, there is all sorts of tweaking involved that shouldn't be necessary if the pad was actually intended to be used with a double pedal. I'm almost tempted to try and build one myself.

10 inches should be plenty of room... practice pad

[einarabelc5]

 abacacus, on 08 January 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Simmer down and you'll live longer

Tell me about it...I actually considering going to the doctor for the ulcer. Because I actually might have one. (having lots of reflux recently)

On a side note I'm currently experiencing something weird:

As you might know thanks to your post I got the DW5000 for 80 bucks at best buy. Well, I've started using Jared Falk's videos on heel toe technique. I've been practicing the technique with both feet and I noticed the following:
The Slave pedal is not as responsive as the main pedal. I've tried the technique with BOTH feet on BOTH pedals and is definitively easier on the MAIN pedal no matter what feet I use. I'm right handed.
I tried adjusting the tension and that helped a bit, but it still feels weird.

I would like to know from more experienced double pedal users if that's a common thing in double bass pedals and it's due to the obvious mechanical reasons that are going on in a double pedal.

If that's the case then it's ALSO a good point for comparing double bass versus double pedal.

This post has been edited by einarabelc5: 23 January 2012 - 02:28 PM

[Thunderstar]

If I could afford a double bass drum, I think I'd prefer that over the pedal. But the double pedal takes up 500 percent less space in the van, and it's just less for me to lug around from show to show.

[abacacus]

 einarabelc5, on 23 January 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tell me about it...I actually considering going to the doctor for the ulcer. Because I actually might have one. (having lots of reflux recently)

On a side note I'm currently experiencing something weird:

As you might know thanks to your post I got the DW5000 for 80 bucks at best buy. Well, I've started using Jared Falk's videos on heel toe technique. I've been practicing the technique with both feet and I noticed the following:
The Slave pedal is not as responsive as the main pedal. I've tried the technique with BOTH feet on BOTH pedals and is definitively easier on the MAIN pedal no matter what feet I use. I'm right handed.
I tried adjusting the tension and that helped a bit, but it still feels weird.

I would like to know from more experienced double pedal users if that's a common thing in double bass pedals and it's due to the obvious mechanical reasons that are going on in a double pedal.

If that's the case then it's ALSO a good point for comparing double bass versus double pedal.

That is common, most due due to the driveshaft. After a long enough period of practice you'll hardly notice it.

[einarabelc5]

 abacacus, on 23 January 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

That is common, most due due to the driveshaft. After a long enough period of practice you'll hardly notice it.

THANKS!! And I was thinking there was something wrong with me.

[abacacus]

 einarabelc5, on 23 January 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

THANKS!! And I was thinking there was something wrong with me.

Nope. Just an inherent characteristic of a double pedal.

[pearlvx96]

 abacacus, on 21 January 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Sampled.


By the way, AFAIK Lech triggers live.

Triggers are needed for a good sound at that kind of speed. You can deny that reality all you want, but you will be wrong.

Lech does not trigger live. I wish he did. When they played My Fears Become Phobias, the big double bass part was incredibly disappointing because all you could hear was a barely audible roar

[abacacus]

pearlvx96, on 24 January 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Lech does not trigger live. I wish he did. When they played My Fears Become Phobias, the big double bass part was incredibly disappointing because all you could hear was a barely audible roar

Heh, maybe he doesn't.

If you could have heard that bass part clearly you would have been even more disappointed me thinks.

[synfoREVer]

Personally, I think double pedals are easier to just carry around and take up less space, but, two bass drums look a lot nicer.

[The Wrench]

I use double pedal because i don't the funds to purchase a second bass drum for my kit, haha. I would like to try it though. I also have heard some people duoble bass pedal is easier cause you dont have to try to tune two bass drums.

 Subrick, on 16 January 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

I personally use two bass drums as opposed to one bass drum with a double pedal on it. I go by the Dave Lombardo philosophy of it where having a double pedal causes a slapback from the pedal and the drum doesn't breathe properly. Not to mention that when triggering a single bass drum the extra vibrations make double hits much more common (I trigger each kick individually).

For you metal players out there, as well as you jazzers who use this set up, what do you use? Two kicks, or one kick with a double pedal?

[birkabirkowski]

I'm actually looking to sink all of the world's known resources (or at least it feels like it lol) to get myself an 8-piece kit (Pearl or Tama?) and I have a very trivial, yet important question: How do you set up your hi-hat with a double bass set? I use a lot of closed hat in my playing, and I don't want it to be a problem...

[themooreshow]

birkabirkowski, on 07 March 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I'm actually looking to sink all of the world's known resources (or at least it feels like it lol) to get myself an 8-piece kit (Pearl or Tama?) and I have a very trivial, yet important question: How do you set up your hi-hat with a double bass set? I use a lot of closed hat in my playing, and I don't want it to be a problem...

LOL, I've been wanting to ask that question for the last few days, but I figured I would wait until my set is delivered and I get it set up so I could see if I could figure it out first.

[Poco Askew]

Some drummers use a legless hi hat stand with either a rack, or clamp it to one of their bass drums. Then there's always a remote hi hat...

[birkabirkowski]

 Poco Askew, on 07 March 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Some drummers use a legless hi hat stand with either a rack, or clamp it to one of their bass drums. Then there's always a remote hi hat...

I didn't even know either of those existed... Well that's quite helpful! Thank you so very much. You are a scholar and a gentleman.